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Zheren Huli
Ikazuchi and Raikou Syndicate
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.09.14 21:51:00 -
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 Originally by: fuxinos
Originally by: Letifer Deus
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 14/09/2009 21:28:18
I think I forgot to mention that Vindi doesn't need a dang tracking bonus when it has a 90% web. Drop tracking bonus for either rep bonus or another dmg bonus and we're good to go.
Oh and 2000 extra PG would be about right with 7 turrets, but it needs a bigger boost than that considering it is getting an 8th turret as well.
Are you serious? Lol.
Its already as good as a Federation Mega, boosting it with another damage bonus would make it even better then the Fed Mega.
considering it costs 3 to 5x the price of the navy mega *as it is at the momment not how it might end up* its reasonable i would say.
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Zheren Huli
Ikazuchi and Raikou Syndicate
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.09.15 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Zheren Huli
Originally by: fuxinos
Originally by: Letifer Deus
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 14/09/2009 21:28:18
I think I forgot to mention that Vindi doesn't need a dang tracking bonus when it has a 90% web. Drop tracking bonus for either rep bonus or another dmg bonus and we're good to go.
Oh and 2000 extra PG would be about right with 7 turrets, but it needs a bigger boost than that considering it is getting an 8th turret as well.
Are you serious? Lol.
Its already as good as a Federation Mega, boosting it with another damage bonus would make it even better then the Fed Mega.
considering it costs 3 to 5x the price of the navy mega *as it is at the momment not how it might end up* its reasonable i would say.
federate megathron != Navy Mega.
for the first you have to bribe Entity pretty hard, the send you can find on contracts. ;)
yeah my bad. i was however refering to the navy mega, as the federation mega is more a prestige item thats kept in station to not be blown up.
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Zheren Huli
Ikazuchi and Raikou Syndicate
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.09.19 20:14:00 -
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anyone else would see some more "useful" bonuses on the vindicator?
as its now its more like a missionrunning ship?
why? because its basicly a kronos with 2 month less training time *bs 5 and awu 5* and a slightly weaker tank... not what a "badass serpentis version" should be about :x.
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Zheren Huli
Ikazuchi and Raikou Syndicate
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.09.19 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Originally by: Sky Marshal
Guristas are Caldari before anything else, as they are former members of the Caldari Navy.
Same if they include some Gallente technologies, make the Gila and the Rattlesnake a "Dominix-Like" ship is just wrong. Caldari droneboats, what the hell...
The missile velocity bonus must be changed for a ROF or damage bonus.
What kind of garbage complaint is this? They are guristas/caldari ships. Making them have a drone bonus is entirely appropriate, and a good niche to go for. We already have tons of missile boats, or hybrid missile boats. Drone/missile boats are a new direction and one I am glad to see CCP take.
I definitely think you could argue the velocity bonus should be ROF or damage though. At least, on the smaller ships. On the rattlesnake it helps them use torpedos.
well i can only guess that he means it rather in the direction that there aint really missile user among the pirate faction ships. and seeing guristas being well caldari based they come the closest to using missiles among the factions.
i would like to see a pirate factionship with focus on missiles and more than 4 launcher hardpoints aswell, but i guess ccp sees drones as "more ballanced"....
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Zheren Huli
Fogbound
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.09.29 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky
I think if they boosted the 25% damage bonus to say 35-40% on the Vindicator it would be thing it is missing to bring it back to the "Oh ****!!! It's a Vindicator!!!" it should be.
Or something else. I mean at its current state I feel the Kronos is far better than it and it is the same if not worse than the Hyperion.
It just doesn't feel like anything special. 
even a 50% bonus would stil be reasonable. why?
with a 50% bonus compared to the kronos:
- you stil use 100% more ammo for merely 50% more damage than the kronos while having far less cargo
*kronos with full bs skill = +125% damage equal to 9 guns / vindicator equal to 12 guns with basic skills not even 50% more here*
- unlike the kronos there are no highslots available for nos / neut / smartbombs / etc
other reasons:
- kronos stil has a lot more resistances than the vindicator -> lasts longer = safer investment
- kronos stil has the rep bonus the vindicator does not have -> lasts longer = safer investment
- while the kronos has 2x very long skills *bs 5 and awu 5* the vindicator also needs 2 long skills *both bs skills to lvl 5* to be at full potential
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Zheren Huli
Fogbound
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.10.06 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zheren Huli on 06/10/2009 19:10:11
Originally by: fuxinos
The only thing the Kronos has over the new Vindi is a 7,5% to Large Armor Repair Amount.
Vindi has 1 more Med, 125m3 dronebay, better Sensor Strength and 3 Rigslots.
Clearly, you fail at reading.
And yes, the Desc of all Guristas ships state a 10% Drone HP Bonus !
ok let me bring up my points from some pages go than.
100% ammo and far less while no 100% damage = not better
unlike the kronos there are no highslots available for nos / neut / smartbombs / etc
kronos stil has a lot more resistances than the vindicator -> lasts longer = safer investment
kronos stil has the rep bonus the vindicator does not have -> lasts longer = safer investment
with the new 50km sensor targeting range it is below a megathron!
than of course the salvaging and tractorbonus.
also i wouldnt try accuse others of failing at reading, since kronos has aswell a 125m¦ dronebay just not the same bandwith, but please show me how 50 drone bandwith, sensorstr against a module the enemy isnt required to use and a single rig can do all the stuff i just wrote above and even surpass the stats!
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Zheren Huli
Fogbound
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.10.09 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Zheren Huli on 09/10/2009 03:48:33
Originally by: fuxinos
Vindicator has far superior Hitpoints compared to Kronos little extra Resists.
A 125m3 Dronebay allow for 5 Sentrys.
And youre beloved Tractor Bonus wont help you fighting better.
Ammoconsumption is negligible.
Its still up:
Vindicator has 1 more Midslot
Vindicator has way More Hitpoints
Vindicator has 125m3 Dronebay
Vindicator has 1 more Rigslot
Vindicator has far superior Agility
Vindicator has much higher Sensor Strength
Vindicator has 100m less Signatureradius
And all your Kronos has over the new Vindi:
Kronos has repair Amount Bonus
Kronos has 3 Utility slots
Kronos has Tractor Bonus
Kronos has more Targeting Range
well lets play it your way than.
equal hitpoints vs higher basic resists - so about equal
than about the sentry drone argument well, thanks to reduced targeting range you can just aswell use the "extra midslot" for a sensorbooster than. *lets count sentrys higher through cause of dps and possible ogre exchange, not to mention sentrys arent likely to shoot about drone controlrange ;)*
higher sensor str and more agility vs 3 utility slots. *lets count utility slots higher here cause of variety*
extra rigslot vs repair bonus *also note that vindicator has lower calibration points*
than you can also count the cargo as a bonus for fighter. with the cargo of the kronos you can hold far more capbooster and last a lot longer exspecial when you account for the repbonus *and the higher resists which favor it even more*
the extracap from said possible extra booster can aswell be used in the utility slots for neuts.
also the cpu / pw boost isnt that enorm on the vindi that you could easy go with a neutron blaster fitting + dual rep without some implants *well not considering utterly expensive faction/complex/officer fit*
the tractorbonus comes on top + the possibility of using the kronos in multible ways like exploration / small transporter (6794m¦ with 7x expanded cargo 2, enough to transport a cruiser + fitting) / remote repairship in fleetfights without loosing damage like the vindicator!
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Zheren Huli
Fogbound
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.10.11 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cersei
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Seishi Maru
You realize how stupid your setences are? I coudl rephrase as.. what is the point on beign the most powerful subcapital tanker in eve ifyou cannot tank a single gank Battleship? See what I did? A maesltrom with crystal set and blue pill SHOULD be able to tank ANY single subcapital ship until its capacitor wears out.
You missed my point completely.
It is my OPINION that the Vindicator should be able to put out enough damage that fitting a neutralizer is not necessary to break a battleship tank. Even one with crystals and boosters.
Is this still confusing for you?
No, my opinion is also that vindicator should do 10k dps.
well let me point this out for you...
the vindicator will be a no good and probably even less flown in pvp as it is when you NEED! to drop guns and damage that acctualy are the only thing that is affected by the shipbonus to be able to break certain tanks. if you wouldnt be out for that you could just aswell fly a hyperion and save yourself lots of isk.
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Zheren Huli
Fogbound
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.10.13 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cersei
I can already see the hordes of awesome vindicator pilots ejecting from their vindicators to jump into abaddons, maelstroms and mallers which we all know can break all tanks without fitting neuts. And if it wasn't for that they'd still stop flying vindicators because changing the mwd cap bonus to web strength bonus is such a huge nerf.
Man, vindicator will become an absolutely awesome ship, able to dispatch entire nano gangs with ease and still hold its own against most other bs.
you shouldnt be sarcastic when you utterly fail at it.
the thing is simple that when i buy a ship that costs 10 times more than an abaddon i expect it to be more useful. the damage is about equal so why should i? not to mention the kronos at same cost with active tank...
"to dispatch entire nanogangs"...yeah lol in what dreamworld do you live? if the pilot aint total ******s they will just stay out the webrange as they no the shipbonus and blaster boats in general *megathron + neut + web = bad mkay?*.
Not to mention that you can reach about the same effect with an overheated scrambler so whatever.
If you fit an officer web on it sure it would be a different thing but unlike the kronos it got the huge tank deficit which makes it not worth it *except for those *****s who fly arround with a falcon alt all the time anyway but hey ecm is kronos only weakpoint you can ecm your enemy falcon, so again no reason to fit an officer web great*
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Zheren Huli
Fogbound
Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.10.15 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: fatboy21007
i do say the vindicator can use a cap upgrade as well as a tank boost. to seriously make it stand out as of now its awsome for sniping. but wouldnt mind more dmg bonus's or hell add a 5%-10% armor rep bonus to it for the tank part to truly make the vindicator shine as its suppose to
well the problem with sniping is the targeting range which would require extra sensorbooster so the additional medslot is gone which is kinda sad.
i thought of giving it 2 less guns and more damage so you can use utility slots and its not a total kronos... but than it looks like a tempest with blasters. i wonder how much a falloff bonus would affect blaster through, as partialy minmatar it wouldnt be totaly excludeable.
i would however like to have at least 1 utility slot like the megathron or navy mega just to give it a little variety, may it be remoterep / neut or a probelauncher for pvp corps to hunt in wormholes.
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